|dura ace triple comments?||adel|
Nov 20, 2001 10:02 AM
|What does everyone think about the new dura ace triple? Kind of odd, I thought dura ace was for racers, and even while watching the pros traverse back and forth up fillmore in SF this fall I didn't see any triples. Think they requested them?
I don't race, but I do run a double. I will admit I suffer quite badly and get dropped on climbs. Of course, everyone dropping me is riding a double as well so I guess I just need to ride more. I live in the bay area, and most of the hills I ride have sections above 10% grade. Some are close to 20% in spots (Moody rd up to page mill, and steep sections of page mill). Anyone have experience getting dropped on hills with a double, switching to a triple and keeping up?
|re: dura ace triple comments?||bikerduder|
Nov 20, 2001 4:20 PM
|I am 6'2" and weigh 225 - I would get dropped on a hill if I had electric assist. I just upgraded to the DA triple, not because I'm a racer, but I wanted the quality. I ride a lot and have always found the Ultegra shift quality lacking. I doubt you are going to see any racers ever use a triple. To me it's about the comfort and the psychological effect of having it there in reserve - I very rarely use the low ring. Once in a while when I step out of Illinois and visit family in the Southeast (Appalachians) or in Colorado, I thank God I have the triple option. And it doesn't make you go up a hill faster, just easier and at a higher cadence.|
|re: dura ace triple comments?||Speedy Donderbal|
Nov 22, 2001 1:26 AM
|Triple has some advantages, especially for the people who don't have climbing skills but find climbing the most appealing kind of ride (like me). My approach to the problem of not being able to keep up with the others during climbs is high cadance riding. On a climb of say 15% I ride 30/23, equal to 39/30 or 42/32 with a cadence of 95-100. It won't speed me up compared with the big gear (42/25) I used to ride, but it does extend my endurance considerable. People ride away from me at the beginning of the climb like they alwas did, but the difference starts halfway when I'm starting to catch up and at the last part I even start to overtake them. I think that is not bad for a non-climber... Thanks to the triple I also have the big gears for the following flat part of the ride (I'm very skilled in this kind of ride). It's great fun when I look over my shoulder and see the 'climbers' struggle at their very limit just to try to keep in my wheel.
Another advantage of my triple: When starting a nasty climb with a double I always have the doubt if I'm going to reach the top, sometimes turn around and riding around the climb. With the triple I start every climb I find with the feeling I have gears small enough to reach even the most nasy top. Sometimes when climbing I don't even use the small ring, but the feeling that I have it gives me the confidence I'm going to make it. It's 100% psychological but it makes me go up climbs of which only the better climbers have the guts start with.
In short: If you have trouble with climbing and you ride high(er) cadence you should definitely go for triple.
|re: dura ace triple comments?||adel|
Nov 26, 2001 10:52 AM
|Thanks for letting me know your gears used, it puts things into perspective.
My high end is a 39/27. Not too far off of your 30/23. There are moments when I am shot that I'd like a smaller gear but I already have smaller gears than most. Road bikes seem to come with cassettes up to a 21. I threw the 21 cassette into the box my new cassette came in. I guess the main advantage would be a cassette closer to a straight block while maintaining a small gear for the steeps.
My main training hill is montebello, avg. grade 6.9%
I find it a killer hill and can't imagine a 15% climb sustained, I'd defintely need the triple then! For anyone interested, heres a link to a grade map of the climb I'm referring to:
Regarding the previous post, I would have to disagree regarding the quality of shifting with Ultegra though it is a personal preference I suppose. I am used to the shifting on my mountain bike, which has low end components. My ultegra shifters, front derail, work great. I do have a DA rear derailler, but use an ultegra cassette and sram chain.
I love the way my bike shifts, although when tired I have a tendency to not push past the click of the shifters, which allows the chain to switch gears and then drop back down. When I remember to push past the click a hair everything works great.
|re: dura ace triple comments?||mclements|
Nov 29, 2001 5:54 PM
|If you get lower gears you won't go any faster. It will be easier but you'll be going just as slow or slower than before. There is no magic bullet for hill climbing. It's not the bike or the gear ratios, it's the rider.
I live in the same area as you. Climb all those hills and also Tunitas Creek road (> 20% grade sections). Riders who haven't been here have no idea what these hills are like. But these hills are quite doable with double chainrings.
Personally, I think the only reason Shimano came out with a Dura Ace triple is because they know there are a lot of recreational riders using Dura Ace. In other words, the demand came from recreational riders with expensive bikes, not from the pros.
|re: dura ace triple comments?||gilgoody|
Dec 3, 2001 4:32 PM
|the 39 allows me to turn the crank faster which results in a faster road speed. the granny gear allows me to ride anywere here in georgia without fear that the hill will be to steep. the ultegra with the 42 middle never really worked for me.|| |