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Wheels, and parts to usenovice
Oct 31, 2001 12:02 PM
I weigh 135-140 pounds and am looking to get a really light weight wheelset built. Please don't respond telling me to get ksyriums as I already passed up a great deal on a set of ssc sl's, my team is sponsered by them. So I was thinking about American Calssic hubs front and rear. For a rim I am taking a liking to the velocity aerohead rim. For spokes, I am thinking 24 sapim CX-rays laced radially in the front with 28 in the rear, non-drive side CX-rays radially laced and drive side wheelsmith xl on the drive side. What do you think, would they hold up? How much would they weigh?
re: Wheels, and parts to useTJeanloz
Oct 31, 2001 12:36 PM
It sounds like you want a pair of Speeddreams.
www.speeddream.com
1525g/pair. $499.99

People seem to have had good luck with them holding up.

As you are too cool to ride Ksyriums, in spite of getting the sponsorship, these seem to be what you want. Which is cool, though I'm sure Mavic is disapointed that one of their racers has decided to ride on somebody else's wheels.
re: Wheels, and parts to usepmf1
Oct 31, 2001 1:24 PM
Mine were 1435 a set according to Dave Thomas who wrote the weight on the receipt. Probably doesn't include skewers though. He was anal enough to add in the velox tape. They seem like nice wheels, although I have only had them for 2 weeks.

No, I didn't weigh them.
re: Wheels, and parts to useTJeanloz
Oct 31, 2001 1:26 PM
That's with the Sun Venus rims, no?

He also offers them with the Velocity AeroHead rim @~1550g.
Yeahpmf1
Nov 1, 2001 5:01 AM
I think it is the Sun Venus rim. I had to wait forever (6 months) to get them because the rims were back ordered. He claims that Sun does a separate production run just for him. They're made in Australia of all places.

btw -- how is life after school? I see you've given up racing?
Life after school...TJeanloz
Nov 1, 2001 8:03 AM
You people should have warned me that life after school was so miserable. I would have stayed in forever. Seriously though, I don't think life can get a whole lot better than being a semester away from graduation at the University of Colorado, so I knew I was in for a disapointment.

So I moved back East- where I am now being reminded that it is COLD in November. Thankfully it's supposed to be warm tommorow.

Surprisingly, I do have a lot more time to ride now; unfortunately, this doesn't mean that I actually do ride more...
There's always grad school ...pmf1
Nov 1, 2001 8:11 AM
I managed to put off reality for 6 years after undergrad. Still, sooner or later, you must face it. I think more education does help you get a job that may be more enjoyable. Not sure the returns are positive though. I remember the first Friday of my 8 to 5 life. I was riding the train home feeling whipped and thinking God, I've got 29 years and 51 weeks of this to go. You do get used to it.

I confess to buying lotery tickets occassionally.
ChoicesKerry Irons
Oct 31, 2001 4:45 PM
You could save $200 (but gain 50 grams for the total set) by using Campy Record or DA hubs. Other than that, this setup should be great for you. Colorado Cyclist offers a Campy Record/Velocity Aerohead wheelset for $309.
2novice
Oct 31, 2001 7:15 PM
I didn't go with the ksyriums because I prefer a nice hadbuilt wheel, built by someone I can trust. I am not going to get a set of speeddreams because I have found a different builder. He built a MTB wheelset for me this summer that has yet to go even the slightest out of true. And that is with some quite spectacular crashes. And because I know that I can get a lighter wheel than a ksyrium, even with there new between the spoke rim machining.
wheelsjason in nh
Nov 1, 2001 5:00 AM
Couple of things, definetly go with either record or dura ace hubs, super reliable. From my experience and my shops experience, go with mavic. they make the best rims and the easiest to make perfect and round. always come out with perfect tension on them.
also are you looking for areo or light weight?
something like 28 spoke, radial front, 2 cross rear to open pros with 15g spokes will be super light and respinsive
cheers
Am Classic/Ringle/Velocity/WS pair=1500g, $290.KMan
Nov 1, 2001 6:56 AM
I am in the same boat & this is a copy of a response from MBR from someone who built up a great MTB wheelset for me over the summer. I will probably go with this or a very similiar set up.

"Am Classic/Ringle/Velocity/WS pair=1500g, $290.
Pretty nice value vs. weight vs. performance combo is the following set-up:
FRONT:
Ringle "Sun of Bubba" Hub: 123g (black or silver)
Velocity AeroHead 700c Rim: 425g (black or gray ano w/ machined sidewall. Also in red, blue, yellow powdercoat, adds 30g)
Wheelsmith DB14/15 Spokes: 140g (24 radially laced, black)
Wheelsmith Alloy Spoke Nipples: 8g (choice of 8 colors)
Total: 696g

REAR:
American Classic Freehub: 230g (black or silver)
Velocity AeroHead 700c Rim: 425g (black or gray ano w/ machined sidewall. Also in red, blue, yellow powdercoat, adds 30g)
Wheelsmith DB14/15 Spokes: 140g (28 laced 3X, black)
Wheelsmith Alloy Spoke Nipples: 10g (choice of 8 colors)
Total: 805g

Depending on your weight, you can adjust the spoke count to 28/28, 28/32, or 32/32 to suit your needs. Nice advantage to custom building instead of "one size fits all" from Mavic pre-builts.

The front hub is very tough and reasonably stiff since it's also an XC MTB hub. It's also warranteed for radial lacing. The AeroHeads are a very good general-purpose rim with a rounded semi-aero profile. Decent weight for climbing and reasonably aerodynamic for the flat stuff. Pretty good set-up for "do everything" road wheels. If you need a more dedicated time-trail or triathlon set-up, you can substitute the new Velocity Fusion rim, with a 25mm deep-section aero profile for an additional 45 grams per.
You want light?grzy
Nov 1, 2001 8:57 AM
Check out the Hugi 240 hubset (the rear weighs 240 g.) - it's much lighter than just about anything else, run a set of 28h. Open Pros (400 g. ea.) or some other high-zoot rim and lace it up with some nice DT spokes (lots of choices in gage and taper). Alloy nipples are lighter, but most don't consider it to really be worth the hassle. Should be lighter than most anything else you could hope to put together.

If you really want light check out the new DA tubular carbon wheels from Shimano. Probably only available for pro teams, but they're scary-light.
You want light?KMan1
Nov 1, 2001 9:44 AM
American Classic Hubs are a bit lighter as well as wheelsmith spokes are lighter than DT
You want light? - AM classics : light but not Chris K'sCyclorocket
Nov 2, 2001 5:46 PM
Don't go too fast on AM classics.

one guy got that one the team with Zipp 380 rims, The hubset is Micro front and Ultra light rear.

-very special bearings sealing (is it sealed?)
-very special bearings adjustement (not too much or... not enough is not better)

Let's say they save 25% weight over Chris King Classics, are 25% less accurate and reliable, but are -50% cost.

-Guillaume
Datagrzy
Nov 5, 2001 4:43 PM
You didn't post any data or links - care to enlighten us?

You must be talking about their new ultra light hub design at 220 g. since they don't publish the weight of their "normal" hub on their website. Haven't there been condiserable problems with the AC hubs reported in this forum and elsewhere? I presonally don't know, but see the Hugi 240 as a bit more solid design. I'm not that comforatable with AC use of hardened steel pawls contacting and aluminum surface as shown in their expoaded view. I like the fact that Hugi builds hubs for Hayes and the MTB market - it indicates they know a little something about abuse and failures. Heck, I just got done repairing some trashed Mavic Cross Link wheels.

Dunno if I buy that Wheelsmith spokes are lighter. If gauge is the same and material density doesn't vary much the the only wiggle room is in the length of the taper on butted spokes. Many wheel gurus advise going with DT only - and we're in Wheelsmith country in the Bay Area. One can always take a chance and use alloy nipples which will override slight spoke weight differences, but then you're stuck with all the joys of alloy nipples.

In any event either choice gets you into the same ball park which is a far cry from standard rear hubs that weigh in around 350 g.

Saw the weight specs on the pro version of the Shimano tubular carbon rims - pretty insane - I'll try and bring the data in (it's from some dealer info). Course they run $1300 for a pair.....

Light is good, but solid designs are better.
DA tubular wheels are heavyCyclorocket
Nov 2, 2001 5:49 PM
wh-7700 CARBON are very bad wheels : less aero then Zipps, heavier then Zipps, same price, not even made by shim.