|I need a new cool stem||CrazyMan|
Oct 30, 2001 9:47 PM
|I want a very light, stiff stem for a 1" steerer.
Price no object. Had a deda newton...sold it b/c it was the wrong size.
I'd prefer if it has no shim for the 1" adaption.
Also, between 80 and 90 degrees is ideal.
|re: I need a new cool stem||Birddog|
Oct 31, 2001 6:55 AM
|Ritchey WCS, however it does have a shim, but mine works flawlessly on a 1" steerer. Very light weight, well designed, and available with either a 73 or 84 degree rise. Got mine at Excel Sports for $94.95|
|re: I need a new cool stem||Eric|
Oct 31, 2001 9:11 AM
|Most ahead stems these days are sized for 1.125" with a shim to work with 1" steerers. I have had good luck with the ITM Millennium stem using a 1.125" setup, but if I was buying a new stem I would choose the Ritchey WCS.
If you want a stiff stem which is sized for 1", you could consider a Salsa, but they are not nearly as light as CNC aluminum stems.
|Cinelli Alter||Little Pooter|
Oct 31, 2001 11:11 AM
|If you like the CNC look of this stem, it seems to be trouble free so far. Mine is 1" without a shim, 80 degrees and 100mm long. It sure gets alot of attention. Supergo has em for $49|
Oct 31, 2001 1:25 PM
|230 grams is probably not what he's looking for.|
Nov 1, 2001 9:24 AM
|he might as well duck tape a brick to his headtube|
|A little harsh dont you think?||Little Pooter|
Nov 1, 2001 11:42 AM
|Sure its not the lightest stem out there, but its damn stiff and unique. I dont mind paying a 70gm weight penalty for a stiff stem, especially when the alternative at this price is one of the plethora of boring forged stems. If price were no object, thats different I guess.|
Nov 1, 2001 3:03 PM
|just alittle humor- it is a cool looking stem|
Nov 2, 2001 9:14 AM
|At and advertised weight of 125 g. the Ritchey WCS is over 100 g. lighter. So for $50 more you can lose almost 4 oz. - pretty good bargain in my book. 100 g. here, 100 g. there, pretty soon you're looking at real weight. Or you can ride heavy crappy components from Trek et al.|
|Speaking of math...||Little Pooter|
Nov 5, 2001 12:50 PM
|So, what you are saying is that if you spend DOUBLE the price of an Alter stem ($100), it will be lighter... well no kidding!
If I spent double the price on my bike, I wouldn't need to upgrade it. Some of us have actual budgets that we try to adhere to, so try to remember that when you make an elitist comment. I bought my Alter stem and a new wider Bontrager Race bar at the same time and the combo was lighter than the parts it replaced on my OCR 1, all for under $100, to me thats not bad. The Alter has its place in the world, and I'm happy with it. (no stripped bolts yet) Cheers.
|Missed the point||grzy|
Nov 5, 2001 4:19 PM
|It's only elitist if you're insecure. Hey you can spend over $300 for a ti stem and have it actually weigh more. So more money doesn't make things better. |
So why are you upgrading given that you're on a budget and didn't want to spend more on the bike. You effectively bought two stems, but only use one at a time. Where's the savings? You could've bought the right one the first time.
BTW - that Alter stem is right up there with the asthetics. Looks like a scrap extrusion from the food processing industry. - I always see them loaded with bits of food and barf. ;-)
|Easy there Grzy...||Little Pooter|
Nov 5, 2001 8:56 PM
|Don't get your nickers in a knot. I did get the point. The point you made is that one should spend $50 to save 100 grams whenever possible. Fine if you have deep pockets. My point is that $50 bucks here and $50 there adds up, regardless of weight.
To answer your question about why I upgraded, I didn't. I was simply fitting the bike after purchase with a shorter stem and wider bars. The old parts were taken in trade by my LBS. My actual cost after trade was $35.
As for asthetics... who sounds insecure now, or should I say immature? Sorry that my stem does not meet your elitist approval. Lighten up.
Nov 7, 2001 3:44 PM
|Naw, I don't think you should spend money when ever possible - free stuff is still my favorite (along with free food). However, $50 for 100 grams is a bargain. That's almost four ounces and it isn't often you get off for that cheap. Where else can you get that kind of value? Like you said it adds up - so it really depends on your priorities. I want to get the best stuff for the money, you just want to spend less money. If I was really elitist would I be running Ultegra? Or even Dura Ace for that matter? Think about it. |
BTW - I happen to think that the Alter is "homely".
|Last words...||Little Pooter|
Nov 7, 2001 8:50 PM
|Ok Grzy, I get where you are coming from, and like you said, its a matter of priorities. My priorities are my MTBs which I race, both XTR, disk equipped over $3000 each, and built part by part. So I know how to spend based on weight, (23.5lb disk dually) but for my road bike I am on a smaller budget, rather saving for things like new cassettes, chains and suspension overhauls next season on my MTBs. You may think the Alter is homely, fair enough, just try to be a little more open minded with your comments, and try to see that everyone has their taste and budget.
BTW I will never invest another penny of my hard earned money on a Ritchey product. They have let me down countless times, and I'm tired of seeing him stamp his name on cheap Kalloy or Wellgo products and then charge double for them. Cheers
|DONT BUY ALTER||str8dum1|
Nov 2, 2001 8:42 AM
|i have owned 2 of them. Your bolts WILL strip out. I have had them strip out on the face plate and on the clamp. The steer clamp is the worst b/c when the bolts gets tightened, it has not where to go and it pulls the threads right out. They dont stay tight on the steer tube either and that just promotes the threads getting stripped out. yes they look cool. my 130mm weighed in at 285g. i am now saving 1/4 pound just by switching to a reliable Deda.|
|Now that's funny...||TJeanloz|
Nov 2, 2001 12:44 PM
|"I am now saving 1/4 pound just by switching to a reliable Deda". You thought the Alter had problems with stripping...|
|re: I need a new cool stem||MikeC|
Oct 31, 2001 4:38 PM
|If you just want a very light, very, very good stem, get the Ritchey WCS. If you're looking for exclusivity, get a Stella Azzura.|
|go the whole hog..er. i mean ram||dupe|
Nov 2, 2001 7:31 AM
|if price is no object , and you can use use their 11cm or 12cm length mr. cinelli is waiting for you.
price will be around $350. around 320 grams.
wow factor 10
|go the whole hog..er. i mean ram||grzy|
Nov 2, 2001 4:48 PM
|Comes out to be about the same as a 125 g. Ricthey WCS and a 200 g. bar from Cinelli, Deda, Easton, etc. The extra $$ is for the zoot factor and inability to make adjustments. It will be interesting to see how well they can hold to the advertised weight and what the durability is like. Crash and you have to replace the entire thing and can't reuse the stem.|
Nov 2, 2001 8:57 PM
|but id like to see where this develops. like all new things a few years on and some more thought and who knows. if more size options are available, some different styles, and the price to come down a lot.
i ride the first gen. integralter and i cant tell you how much thought needs to be taken into account with regards to sizing. becoz of the aero cable routing the hoods position is pretty fixed, let alone rise/drop and of course reach. i must have been lucky and got it right.
have heard many things that sound detracting about them including worrying one's like snapping. but mine seems to be holding up fine. overall, i used to ride with gloves (have tried more than 30 pairs in 12 years) and have always have difficulty getting confortable until this bar. no longer ride with gloves (weather permitting) and i dont even use tape in the cente of the bar.
i guess a case of works for me. im basically cheap. picked up mine for $100. would never consider $400 for the new ones as that to me is a hot set of wheels.
mind you i love my cinelli pista stem on another bike with the same passion even tho it is a boat anchor.
Nov 2, 2001 9:15 PM
|I saw them at Interbike. Its a better alternative to the ITM's, Deda's, Ritchey's and Cinelli's in my opinion.
They have added feature's the others dont. It has a msrp of $89, uses 7075 T6 aluminum, heli coils on all threads so you WONT have stripped threads and weighs 145 grams for a 110 mm length. I really thought it was a nice stem that looks real nice to boot.
Check out their website www.hurricanecomponents.com
Last time I checked the stem was not on the site, it may be now.