|Campy Ten Speeds||non-sprinter|
Sep 3, 2001 5:27 PM
|Are the Campagnolo Ten speeds the real deal. Is it going to be around for awhile. Or is Campy planning to change back to the nine setup? I'm currently on the ten setup. I find, that the ten needs a whole lot of fine tuning to keep it accurate. I'm just thinking, because there are a lot of riders, who refuse to part with the old nine speeds. They also feel the ten speed, with its perma linked chain, is unneeded and annoying. Thanks for any input!|
|I have barely touched my campy ten in over three thousand miles.||bill|
Sep 3, 2001 5:55 PM
|If they come up with anything better, it's a solution in search of a problem.
I may not ride as much as you do, but I do ride it, and I don't think that three grand with barely a tweak can be considered finicky.
|10 speed's here to stay....||C-40|
Sep 3, 2001 5:57 PM
|I haven't noticed any more need for "fine tuning" after logging 7000 miles on campy 10. The rear derailleur cable rarely needs a tweak to keep it shifting perfectly. I find the shifting to be better than 9 speed.
I've also never experienced the permalink problems noted by many. My early model permalinks have both held up well for over 3000 miles. The permalinks will show more wear after 3000 miles than the other links, however.
SRAM will soon have a 10 speed chain on the market with their easily removable and cheap Powerlink. Then everyone can quit whining about the permalink problem.
|Although I sing the praises of my Campy 10, I gotta say that,||bill|
Sep 4, 2001 7:39 AM
|after about 3,000 miles on the chain, I broke a Permalink. Just happened on Friday evening -- I was going to a cyclist's rally at Dupont Circle in DC. It was raining, but I decided not to be a suburban wimp, and I headed out to downtown (as long as there was no lightning). I was feeling rather righteous, taking up a whole lane down M St in Georgetown, 6 p.m. on a Friday evening, diligently and pointedly stopping for every light, accelerating with traffic, stopping with traffic. Stayed in the big ring for quick acceleration, and wham! Chain broke. |
Fortunately, there are a few bike shops on M Street, and I strolled into one with my chain in hand. They gave me a new chain (little wear on the old one, by the way, but I was starting to worry about it, anyway), and, because I had no money with me, they agreed to let me pay later. Which was very cool.
It ended up costing me about $60, which I'm still deciding how to feel about. I had to beg for a local club's 10% discount off of the marked price for the chain of $50, and they charged me $10 for labor. Am I being silly? I sort of thought that, you know, if you're going to help a guy out, well, help a guy out. In other circumstances, I certainly could have and would have replaced the chain myself; heck, if he had handed me the tool, I would have been happy to do it myself then. And it took him all of five minutes. I gladly would have paid $45 - $50, but that extra ten kind of galled me a little. On the other hand, I certainly had the benefit of an available shop that extended me credit on little more than a smile and took care of my little problem while I waited. Perspectives?
|jeeze man!||Bike dude|
Sep 4, 2001 9:22 AM
|Do you have to post this on every forum on the net? Your Permalink wasn't installed properly--simple as that. Don't trash Campy when it's human error that caused the prob.|
|Dude, the chain had 3,000 miles on it. Installation almost||bill|
Sep 4, 2001 12:04 PM
|certainly had nothing to do with it. I think that what another poster said was very interesting -- that, in his experience, the Permalink shows more wear after 3,000 miles than the rest of the chain. Simple as that.|
|3000 is plenty||Bdude|
Sep 5, 2001 11:14 AM
|According to Campy "A chain typically lasts between 2000 and 5000 miles, depending on the conditions of use and the frequency and quality of maintenance operations."
If it had 3000 miles, failure is not unexpected- get over it. If it didn't have 3000 miles on it (which makes you a liar), the permalink wasn't installed right, simple as that.
|I don't buy it.||ColnagoFE|
Sep 5, 2001 11:58 AM
|I think the Permalink was improperly installed and it was a risk of breaking from the start. That it did it at 3000 miles is just a coincidence. IMHO of course|
|All right, let me get this straight. Either I'm a liar about||bill|
Sep 5, 2001 12:43 PM
|putting 3,000 miles on my chain (and I would lie because ____ ?), or I have to "get over it" (get over what, exactly?) Who are you, man? And what evil do you think lurks in the heart of man? I don't get it. Now you're scaring me. |
Sr. Colnago, you really think that a link that breaks after 3,000 miles was badly installed? Why that versus wear? Why wouldn't it have broken earlier? Is it because you believe that the ones that break, break fast?
Sep 7, 2001 10:09 AM
|OK...let's just say I've never heard of a Powerlink breaking other than yours that wasn't assembled properly. Could you have by chance installed it ALMOST right but not quite and over time it came apart? Why does 3000 miles discount any notion that the permalink was not installed properly? Maybe you just got lucky for 2999 miles. Or maybe it was bad. If so that's the first one I've heard of.|
|Well, by the time I saw it after the fact,||bill|
Sep 8, 2001 6:30 PM
|the pin was gone, so, who knows? I didn't install it, so I've got no percentage in it's being right or wrong; all I could say is that it broke. I would think that it'd be pretty unusual for something to break after 3,000 miles for a reason other than wear.|
|'Improperly installed' manufacturer's jargon||peloton|
Sep 9, 2001 7:33 AM
|for we could have designed it better. Remember when all those Icon stems failed and Trek had to issue a recall. The reason those stems were failing was more a result of improper installation. The stems creaked incessantly, and people tightened the stem bolts to stop the creaking. Those who tightened the bolts to stop the creaking overtorqued the bolts which in turn caused them to fail while riding. The stem wouldn't have failed if the bolts were torqued properly. Mechanic errror, yes. Bad design, yes as well.
One does hear about a lot of permalinks breaking. I don't believe that there are that many people out there that don't know how to install a chain. I also don't believe that the chains would run for thousands of miles before improper installation would get to them. Three thosand miles is an okay life for a chain. You are only as good as your weakest link though, wearing out before the rest of the chain. The permalink seems to be Campy's weakest link in an otherwise good chain. A chain is always weakest where is has been joined anyway, and more like ot fail there as a result even if properly installed.
|re: Campy Ten Speeds||mackgoo|
Sep 4, 2001 7:47 AM
|I have about 100 miles on my new 10sp set up. The only way I know that a shift has been executed is it either gets harder or easier to pedal. I bought a (something) III from www.branfordbike.com as the link to join the chain together, whent on like pie and works great no tools at all. 100 miles isn't very far but I have no reason to believe things will change. You do not need a perma link now, not some time in the future.|| |