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Mixed Campy vs Uniform Shimano(12 posts)

Mixed Campy vs Uniform ShimanoZerotrek
Aug 31, 2001 3:48 PM
A friend of mine has offred to sell me a mixed bag of Campy components. 9sp Record front derailer, 9sp Chorus rear derailer, Daytona 9sp crank, Chorus bottom bracket, Daytona brake calipers, 9sp Chorus shifters.

The most important thing to me in the components I choose is reliability and smooth operation. Could someone comment on thses components compared to a full Shimano Ultegra group as far as which would be better in the two catagories that I value most?
re: Mixed Campy vs Uniform ShimanoCliff Oates
Sep 1, 2001 5:56 AM
With the exception of the bottom bracket, all that will work well together. The Daytona crankset requires either a 111mm or 115mm spindle depending on the diameter of your seat tube. If your seat tube has an outside diameter of 28.6mm, then use the shorter spindle, else the longer one. AC-H bottom brackets are inexpensive. Branford has a good page talking about these bottom brackets (but they're cheaper at Excel).
re: Mixed Campy vs Uniform Shimanopeloton
Sep 1, 2001 8:29 AM
The Chorus bottom bracket and the Daytona crank won't work together due to different requirements for bb axle length. I would ditch the Daytona crank and get a Chorus crankset. The Chorus crank is a little more refined. The rest of the group should work well together.

Versus Ultegra? Depends on which system feels better to you personally. Performance is similar. The Shimano stuff feels smoother, Campy stuff is more mechanical. Shifter style is completely personal preference. Campy stuff may last longer but require more adjustment, Shimano stuff is easier to find replacements in the US and less expensive too.

The only reason people argue about Campy vs. Shimano is because they are close enough in performance where you can build an argument for either. Go with what feels right to you.
Daytona crank is not compatible...C-40
Sep 1, 2001 12:15 PM
with a Chorus bottom bracket. Daytona has cheap BB with a 111mm spindle length. The chorus is much better quality, but has a 102mm spindle length, which is also compatible with record.

Sounds like someone's trying to get rid of old 9 speed stuff to get 10 speed, which is what you should do. If you can afford Ultegra, then you can afford Daytona 10, or the new Campy 10 speed group that will be out soon to replace Daytona.

You will also need Campy compatible wheels. Don't mess around with wheels that won't acccept a campy cassette.
Rename, not replaceCliff Oates
Sep 1, 2001 1:11 PM
Let's see, we started with a $15 bottom bracket, moved up to a $125 crankset, and now you're suggesting the original poster drop $650+ on a Daytona (soon to be Centaur) group or better. I have a feeling the original poster was interested in this surplus gear because it is being offered somewhat cheaply.

BTW, my CX bike is perfectly happy running "old" 9 speed stuff - a mix of Veloce, Daytona, and Racing Triple. FWIW, you can get 9 speed cassettes from Wheels Mfg that will fit on Shimano hubs. These cassettes are expensive, but cheaper than having new wheels built. Other folks do have success running Shimano 9 speed cassettes with Campy 9 speed gear -- I hear the key to making it work is using a Shimano chain.
Old 9 speed...C-40
Sep 1, 2001 2:41 PM
rear derailleurs and shifters have bee replaced with new designs, similar to the 10 speed ones. I would assume that this stuff is "old" 9 speed. Personally, I wouldn't want the stuff unless it were dirt cheap. But to each their own. I've never kept old campy components, once new designs made then obsolete.

The poster can take or leave any advice he cares too. If it were me, I'd invest in the new stuff.
Old speed...Cliff Oates
Sep 1, 2001 5:12 PM
A shop owner who posts regularly over in says any Campy derailleur will work with any Campy drivetrain from 8 speed to 10 speed without penalty. I'm not a shop owner, so I don't get exposed to a multitude of variations like he does. I'm inclined to believe him, and I sure as heck can't afford the parts to conduct a meaningful experiment that will refute his experience.
re: Mixed Campy vs Uniform Shimanomackgoo
Sep 2, 2001 2:08 PM
You can't go wrong with Campy. Where...... oh never mind.
re: Mixed Campy vs Uniform Shimanopeloton
Sep 2, 2001 2:18 PM
You can go wrong if the bottom bracket and crankset are incompatable. Tough to pedal that way.
re: Mixed Campy vs Uniform Shimanomackgoo
Sep 2, 2001 3:44 PM
Ok, I'll bite. Although it won't help Zero any. Sorry Zero, but you have the info you need.
Gee, did you come up with that on your own? Or perchance did you glean it from every post prior to mine?

Zero...... come into the light
re: Mixed Campy vs Uniform Shimanopeloton
Sep 2, 2001 5:59 PM
Every post before yours? You mean like mine? I posted an impartial view of the two far above explaining the problem with the crank and a possible solution. You obviously have a bias. A gruppo that has incompatable parts is tough to ride on. You obviously don't care, or care to show any insight of value though. Please in future refrain from snide comments unless you have something of value to add. Thanks for your insight though.
re: Mixed Campy vs Uniform Shimanomackgoo
Sep 3, 2001 2:00 PM
Every one gave him workable solutions, your correct even you. So there was enough info for him to be steered in the right direction. Part of his question is mixed or uniform, you gave him the solution for the mixed, he didn't need any more. He did need to hear to go with the mixed. I am biased. I'm biased because, I just bought a used bike with Dura Ace, didn't really care about the components as it was the frame I was interested in but, I figured hey Dura Ace is Shimanos TOL so I'll give it a try. I was very dissapointed, Compared to my Athena of the same vintage it paled. That was my real life experience, the Dura Ace is gone, new 10sp his here to stay. So when people ask these questions I do pass along my real life experience, and when on ocassion I do choose to chime in on the "which is better" debate I do it because from my real life experience there is no question.