|Campy 10sp chain||Jeffro|
Jun 14, 2001 5:00 PM
|I broke my 10sp chain at the permalink and I was wondering if anyone had any experience with this. The chain has about 7-800 miles on it. I am really looking for an alternative to the permalink: could a 9sp sachs powerlink work?|
|re: Campy 10sp chain||Cliff Oates|
Jun 14, 2001 5:47 PM
|People have successfully used the SRAM 9 speed powerlink. People have also used Shimano HG 9 speed chains. Finally, people have simply reconnected the Campy chain without using a permalink or superlink, although I would be concerned about getting the rivet back in flush against the side plates. The Quality catalog lists a 10 speed powerlink, but the listing appears to be a case of premature publication.
Are you saying your chain came apart at the permalink, or that you disconnected it yourself? I understand the permalink pins will click firmly and audibly when the permalink is installed correctly.
FWIW, I have 3500 miles on my chain so far, and as far as I can tell, it has a lot of miles left in it. I clean and lube the chain on the bike, (was using Boeshield, now trying Prolink) so I have had no reason to remove the chain for maintenance.
|re: Campy 10sp chain||Velocipedio|
Jun 16, 2001 7:25 PM
|How do you clean the chain on the bike? Do you use one of those cleaning machines? A toothbrush? Rags?|
|clean and lube at the same time....||C-40|
Jun 17, 2001 1:39 PM
|I use a mixture of 4 to 5 parts mineral spirits to one part synthetic motor oil to "clean and lube" the chain. Apply the mixture heavily, to the lower section of chain between therear derailleur and the crank. Catch the excess with a folded paper towel, held under the chain. Wipe each section of the chain, before rotating the crank to the next section. When the entire chain has been lubed, spin the cranks several turns, wiping with the wet towel. The wet towel can also be used to clean the cogs and chainrings. Follow up with a dry towel. The whole process takes less than 5 minutes. If done at least once a week (more often in dirty conditions), the chain will never need removal for additional cleaning. If you happen to neglect the chain for more than a week, apply the lube twice, to enhance the cleaning effect.
The lubing should be done long before riding, to allow time for the mineral spirits to evaporate.
|clean and lube at the same time....||Velocipedio|
Jun 18, 2001 6:29 AM
|Interesting technique. I'm going to save this one.
One question, though: Have you had any problems with grit? Some people say that, when you wipe a chain, you just work grit into the links.
|no grit problem....||C-40|
Jun 18, 2001 4:06 PM
|The idea is to apply enough "clean and lube" to wash away any grit. Use the paper towel to wipe off excess. The stuff's so cheap, you don't have to skimp.
I've been using this technique for three seasons. Chain life is excellent. My chains show virtually no stretch after 3000 miles. Only the old style permalinks are worn after this mileage.
|re: Campy 10sp chain||Jerry Gardner|
Jun 18, 2001 11:26 AM
|How do you clean the chain on the bike? Do you use one of those cleaning machines? A toothbrush? Rags?
The only proper way to clean a chain is to take it off the bike and clean it with a solvent. Cleaning it on the bike will likely result in grunge and grit being forced into the interior of the links where it will act as a grinding compound.
I clean a chain as follows:
1. Remove chain from bike. SRAM speedlinks make this easy.
2. Put chain in empty 2-liter plastic soda bottle and fill 1/2 way with solvent (I use paint thinner).
3. Cap bottle and shake vigorously for a few minutes.
4. Drain, repeat.
5. Remove chain and dry with compressed air.
6. Oil rollers with light machine oil (I use Triflow).
7. Put chain back on bike.
|re: Campy 10sp chain||JohnG|
Jun 14, 2001 6:37 PM
|Take a good look at a Shimano chain on a 10C casssette and you might change your mind about using this combo. Yes, it WILL work.... but it's a damned fit at best. |
IMHO, a properly installed PL works fine. Anyway, if you are dead set against using the PL I'd say the next best alternative is putting the chain together without the PL. I've done this myself and think it's really a non issue. A GOOD chain tool is important for this operation, however. The little cheapies won't give you enough control over the installation process.
Jun 14, 2001 7:28 PM
|The duraace chain is a tight fit and the SRAM is even tighter. There are those that swear they work fine, but there is a strong chance that either chain will result in power losss from increased friction, and perhaps premature wear on other components.
If installed properly, the only problem I've experienced is accerlated wear on the early model permalink. I've still been able to get 3000 miles from these permalinks. Campy has supposedly fixed this already.
SRAM is supposed to have a 10 speed chain out late this year, with their powerlink.
I haven't tried this yet, but it might be worth installing one link from a 9 speed chain to replace the broken permalink. Most folks have left-over links from shortening new chains. If others get buy using the whole 9 speed chain, one link shouldn't do any harm. The 9 speed link can be set for a snug fit, but the pins will protrude a little more than normal.
|re: Campy 10sp chain||PaulCL|
Jun 14, 2001 7:17 PM
|If you got 7-8000 miles from a chain, that's great. why would you want a different brand???|
|only 7-800 miles! (nm)||C-40|
Jun 14, 2001 11:25 PM
|Sorry..that drain bamage again!||PaulCL|
Jun 15, 2001 7:23 AM
|Musta been the affects of the wine I was drinking last night. oops. OK, go for another brand.|
|there is no choice for campy 10||ColnagoFE|
Jun 15, 2001 2:41 PM
|until sram comes out with a 10s chain. using a 9s chain is not really a good idea though i did use the sram powerlink when my permalink failed prematurely.|
Jun 14, 2001 10:55 PM
|Per my LBS Quality Bike Parts brought in 40 of these and sold out in 2 days. So they do exist. I think this might be the way to go. I asked my LBS to get me one so I can put it on when I install a new Campy 10 spd chain. While 2 previous C10 chains developed a hiccup with the Permalink after about 1k, my 2001 spec pne is fine after 2.5k, so far....|
Jun 15, 2001 8:57 PM
|Just to add one more Campy 10 speed chain story to this database, my chain started getting slightly hiccuppy around 900 miles. I lived with it until 1200 miles, when I just told my LBS to put a new one on for me. The new chain, albeit with only 400 miles on it, has been flawless. Does this new chain have the new permalink? Who knows? I used to build and rebuild my old Campy Nuovo Record equipment with regularity and glee. With this new stuff, I let my brilliant mechanic do it.|| |