|hopey steering dampers||bsenez|
Aug 24, 2001 8:46 AM
|Those of you who also ride mtb may be familiar with this product as it is quickly gaining acceptance in downhill racing. I just bought one the other day for one of my mtb bikes and am going to also add one to my road bike. It is a damper which slides into your steer tube and clamps under the top headset cup and will slow down steering away from center (but still allow free return to center), there are many benefits to this from railing corners on decents to less fatigue when climbing. it makes it easier to hold a line. it is reasonably lightweight at somewhere around 250 grams. the website is hopey.org do you guys have any thoughts on this?|
Aug 24, 2001 8:48 AM
|oops, i was 'weigh' off on the weight... it is actually only 125 grams|
|I would like to know||Jack S|
Aug 24, 2001 9:10 AM
|why I would need it. Sounds like hokey.com|
Aug 24, 2001 9:06 PM
|Hokey steering dampers?||Kerry Irons|
Aug 25, 2001 12:46 PM
|Such a product seems possibly useful in a DH bike, where the front wheel is getting hit all the time, running the risk that you'll be thrown off your line. Not at all the case for a road bike, so there seems to be no purpose for such a device on a road bike (except to add profits to the seller's bottom line and ruin the handling of an otherwise fine bike).|
|on a road bike? you're joking, right?||club|
Aug 27, 2001 5:27 AM
|that's the silliest thing I've read here in quite a while. it's unneeded, and you won't be able to ride no hands with it. it's a dumb idea, forgetaboutit.|
|Dopey steering dampers. Just plain silly (nm)||flava|
Aug 27, 2001 6:41 AM
|Not So Fast....||grzy mnky|
Aug 27, 2001 7:46 AM
|All of the above posters slamming the idea seem to be doing so without any basis. Remember when everyone thought that putting a shock on a MTB was a totally stupid idea? I guess one needs to look a little deeper and realize that steering dampers have been used on street motorcycles for quite sometime with great results. The fundamental problem is that stability and manauverability are inversely related. Without an added device the rider has little means to vary this equilibrium point after the frame is built. Having a steering damper and a means to adjust it is just another control feature for the dynamic system that is the bicycle and rider. I for one think it would be an interesting bit of technology to test out. Sure one could say it's obvious for a DH MTB, but where does one draw the line for being inappropriate?|
|monkeyman talking out his butt again||club|
Aug 27, 2001 10:10 AM
|anything that interferes with trail's effect of self-stabilizing the bike by keeping it pointed forward would be a bad bad thing on a road bike. It would work just like a too-tight headset to prevent the wheel to self-stabilize. I actually tried another version of a steering damper once on a road tandem and it was awful. Dampers are to counter the side forces of rocks and ruts that try to twist an offroad wheel out of line, and for that there's a benefit. On a road bike it's totally inappropriate. Trail and the stabilizing force of a spinning front wheel are all the stability you need on pavement. Go over-tighten your headset and ride around the cul de sac if you need proof. If you still disagree, I got a nice Odyssey steering damper to sell you for your road bike.|
Aug 27, 2001 10:28 AM
|Just exchanged email with Tim Hopey and he says that his device is being used and tested on road bikes and people like it. Seems like you know nothing about the Hopey unit which dampens when moved off of center, but is allowed to freely return, which is NOTHING like riding with a too tight headset. You don't lose the self stabilizing effect desinged into the fork and frame based on trail. |
You're missing two very important things: 1. Open mind 2. ANY direct experience with the mentioned product. See the forum pact.
Now who's butt is doing the talking?
|more to add about hopey||bsenez|
Aug 27, 2001 9:14 PM
|thanks for having an open mind about this grz...
i've been using the hopey on my mtb for a few days now and i just want to clear up a few things about it.
the damping goes from center to about 30 degrees away in either direction with free return. the damping is fully adjustable and with the twist of a dial can be turned from totally off to full on, i've been running it around 1 1/2 turns off full (still getting it dialed). it is very easy to ride no handed with the damper, even over rough conditions. my lbs just ordered 3 more of the dampers and we are going to put them on our road bikes. i think it will help especially with descending (countersteering) stability. and will help you keep much better form when climbing fatigued. i will keep you updated.
|Interest is Piqued||grzy mnky|
Aug 28, 2001 8:58 AM
|I'm very interested in this product and would love to try it out on the MTB, but unfortnuately I run a C'dale headshock and it's not compatible. Next best thing is to try one on the road bike. Keep us posted if you have the time.|| |