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105 or veloce(13 posts)

105 or velocesylvainchar
Aug 9, 2001 8:11 AM
Should i go with SHimano 105 or Campagnolo veloce for my first real road bike?
I'll use it for training and couple of hours ride.

Thanks.
I'll take some hits over this answer.Spoke Wrench
Aug 9, 2001 2:08 PM
105... Here's why:

I just worked on a pair of bikes that belong to a couple who are riding cross country. One of the bikes was a Campy equipped Bianchi. The fellow wanted to buy a Campy lock ring tool. I was embarassed that we didn't have one for sale so I tried checking other bike shops in St. Louis. Guess what? Not even our high end, boutique bike shops, who specialize in that kind of stuff, had a Campy cassette tool available for sale this week.

Now people can argue the ultimate performance of Record and Dura Ace, but if you are comparing Veloce with 105, I suspect you will be more interested in serviceability. Based on my experience, I'd have to say that in most areas of the US, its going to be easier to get Shimano tools and replacement parts.
re: 105 or velocedavidl
Aug 9, 2001 3:05 PM
The poster says more about his networking than reliability or serviceability of Campagnolo equipment. Don't decide what group to buy based on the availability of a lockring wrench within a small ring of bike shops - probably all Shimano stores. You should consider your own likes and dislikes. Check out the Campy Only website at www.campyonly.com and read the "Riders Like You" reviews of the 2001 Veloce group - and see what a rider says about veloce after he's used it a while - good and bad. If you can find something about 105, do that too. Both groups are ok, but my preference is Veloce. It works great, looks good, holds up, and is Campy equipment. Resist the pull to the dark side - go toward the light...
liked them bothDaveG
Aug 9, 2001 5:11 PM
I have had both 105 and Veloce. Its tough to go wrong with either especially on a first bike. I slightly prefer the Veloce, mainly because I find the Ergo lever design more comfortable and the thumbshift button easier to use. You may have a different view. 105 is lighter and the drivetrain quieter, and hi-wear parts may be easier to come by. Veloce is repairable/rebuildable but not all shops can deal with it. Unless you are having a bike built up, you are limited to the groups the bike manufacturer specs anyway. My advice: ride some bikes, find one you like and stop worrying about group comparisons.
liked them bothsylvainchar
Aug 10, 2001 5:01 AM
Your advice is good but i will buy a Marinoni which is made here in Montreal (Canada) suburban. They make the bike for you according to your measurements and they put the groupo of your choice. So i have to make a choice!
liked them bothCliff Oates
Aug 10, 2001 5:32 AM
Base your choice on the lever design. That's the only significant difference betweeen the two groups. See if Marinoni has any bikes you can test, or try the local shops. In Montreal, shouldn't that be spelled groupeaux, and not groupo?

(FWIW, I have 3 Campy specific tools: the cassette lockring/bottom bracket tool, another bottom bracket tool that works with the type of bottom bracket that comes with Daytona/Veloce grade bottom brackets, and a 10 speed chain tool.)
liked them bothsylvainchar
Aug 10, 2001 5:44 AM
In fact it is gruppo. I guess it is an Italian word. In french it would be groupe.
liked them bothCliff Oates
Aug 10, 2001 5:53 AM
I know. I was being silly. If I spoke German, I'd use the word gruppe. I speak English, so I stick with group. Gruppo is kind of pretentious, while groupo is not a word. It's a pet peeve of mine.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled programming....

What's the frame like that you're getting? I've heard a lot of good things about Marinoni, and there's a guy in my area whom I run into now and then who has one.
liked them bothsylvainchar
Aug 10, 2001 6:07 AM
The bike is not ordered yet but it is gonna be a steel frame for sure.
In which town are you living? I didn't know that Marinano was selling outside Canada. My neighboor just bought one and he seems to be very happy with it. There is a lot of those bikes in Montreal.
liked them bothCliff Oates
Aug 10, 2001 6:11 AM
I'm over near San Francisco. I have no idea where this gentleman got his bike, but since he's a Russian emigre, I presume he's traveled around a bit.
re: 105 or velocemackgoo
Aug 10, 2001 6:46 AM
I prefer Campy and I would tell you Campy.
re: 105 or velocesylvainchar
Aug 10, 2001 6:50 AM
Since Veloce is a little bit cheaper than 105 and is the second cheapest gruppo in Campagnolo line, i though that maybe it is not as good as the 105 which is in the middle of SHimano line. As you can see it is not scientific! I have not tried neither one yet.
re: 105 or veloceMikeC
Aug 10, 2001 10:47 AM
I've owned 105 and always thought it was a fine group. I own Record now, and I STILL say 105's a fine group. Veloce is good, too, and one reason I'd probably choose it is because I like the option of an integrated computer, and Ergobrain's much better than Flight Deck (yup, owned both of them as well).