|Upgrading Campy Veloce to Chorus on a Budget||MeDotOrg|
Jul 17, 2001 8:31 AM
|After crashing my Bianchi Veloce last week, I'm ordering a new frame. While I'm at it I'm and looking at upgrading my existing equipment from (2000) Campy Veloce to Chorus.
Since plunking down $$$ for a new frame wasn't something I had budgeted, I'm probably going to do a component-at-a-time upgrade.
Since I'm paying to have the bike re-assembled, I guess it would make more sense to have labor-intensive components done first.
How would you go about doing this type of upgrade? - thanks...
|Here's what I would do...||Cima Coppi|
Jul 17, 2001 9:44 AM
|Since you are buying a new frame, spend a bit more for a sealed bearing headset. I bought a Chris King, and its awesome. The headset is one of the most pain in the rear components to service, so do yourself this favor. |
Next, tackle the drivetrain, esp. the rear derailleur, ergo levers, cranks, bb, hubs, cassette and chain. The front derailleur can wait, but that also depends on the frame you are gettng vs. the Bianchi (i.e. clamp diameter, or braze-on vs. clamp). If you are not familiar with installing Ergo and fine tuning the shifting, have the shop install everything mentioned above. Brakes and seatpost can wait indefinitely.
Hope this helps!!
Jul 17, 2001 9:55 AM
|Actually, one of the few things on the bike that WASN'T Campy was the headset (Miche). That started to fail at 4,000 miles and was replaced by a Chris King, so I'll be moving the Chris King to the new bike.
I also had Sdeals make me a set of wheels with Mavic Open Pro rims and Chorus Hubs, so I'm okay on wheels.
Jul 17, 2001 2:06 PM
|Sounds like you have a good start. I'm guessing the Veloce grouppo is 10 speed? If that is the case, definitely upgrade the Ergo levers, rear derailleur, and chain now. I say upgrade the chain, because the C-10 chain has an improved perma-link for strength and better shifting, and its only about $30. |
The Chorus cranks will be stiffer than the Veloce, but you can wait on those.
Hope this helps!!
Jul 17, 2001 3:07 PM
|I'm guessing the Veloce grouppo is 10 speed?
You would indeed be guessing, yep.
|can't be done piecemeal.....||C-40|
Jul 17, 2001 2:20 PM
|It would be silly to spend money on new chorus parts that are not 10 speed, unless you have triple crank 9 speed setup that you intend to keep.
To make the 10 speed conversion properly you need ergo levers, cassette, chain, the big chainring, front derailleur and rear derailleur. You also need a campy 10 chain tool (or access to one).
The piecemeal approach will ultimately cost more. You miss out on a significant groupo discount (usually about 15%) and multiple mailorder freight charges also add up. If you buy at the LBS, it could cost twice as much as a mailorder groupo.
|re: Upgrading Campy Veloce to Chorus on a Budget||Cliff Oates|
Jul 17, 2001 2:29 PM
|It's arguable whether pre-2001 Campy derailleurs are compatible or not with 2001 gear. Campy says one thing, while the wrenches say another. You will find it profitable to ask this question over on rec.bicycles.tech. There are a couple of shop owners that do an effective job of handling Campy questions over there.
Most components you can just bolt on without really disturbing much of anything. A headset is obviously not like that, but you've got that covered already. A bottom bracket is kind of a hassle to install, and if you're running a double crank then you will want to buy a Chorus bb and crankset.
Shift levers, since they affect and are affected by handlebar tape, are probably something you will want your LBS to install. I definitely prefer the Chorus and Daytona levers to Veloce levers, so they're a worthwhile upgrade. The wrenches over in rec.bikes.tech say that you can pretty much mix and match pre-2001 and 2001 levers and derailleurs without compromising the functionality of the drivetrain. Campy says otherwise, but Campy says a lot of things that are later contradicted by the wrenches. I tend to believe the wrenches, since if they're wrong, your recourse is to spend the money on the extra parts that Campy would have had you buy originally. If the wrenches are right, then you have surplus money in your pocket.
So anyway, cranks, bottom bracket and shift levers should probably be first in terms of installation impact, with the rear derailleur on your radar screen as something that will probably not be required. After that, it's up to your budget.
|re: Upgrading Campy Veloce to Chorus on a Budget||Leroy L|
Jul 17, 2001 3:10 PM
|You've got a good idea for an upgrade. If I were doing it a C/K headset would be fine, but don't discount the Chorus headset. I upgraded to Chorus headset - it performs very well. No knock on C/K but just look at the Chorus before you leap. I would go with a chorus bottom bracket, too.
I had good luck with www.branfordbike.com in upgrading my bike to [lowly] Daytona. In trying to be complete, I got some very fine daytona hubs/Mavic Open pro wheels from Branford. They will make up a wheel with Chorus hubs - check the website catalog. Branford is great to deal with for Campy components.
Let us know how the upgrade progresses. You're going to love it.
|OOPS- Should have mentioned it's a triple-crank||MeDotOrg|
Jul 18, 2001 7:08 AM
|I apologize - I left out that rather important piece of information. So when I say Chorus components, my ultimate goal is a "racing triple".
Sorry for the confusion - my fault!
|OOPS- Should have mentioned it's a triple-crank||Leroy L|
Jul 18, 2001 8:52 AM
|I upgraded veloce to daytona/racing triple/veloce mix. I stayed at that level because of the $$$ involved. It's really worth doing. You will have to go with an AC-H or Phil Wood 111mm bottom bracket if you have std size seat tube. If you have a bigger seat tube [say, Al tubing oversized] you may need a 115mm. The Chorus bottom bracket doesn't fit a R/T crankset - if I remember correctly - it's shorter than what a R/T needs.
I'd take a look at the Chorus headset, too.
Check with Branford Bike [www.branfordbike.com] - call and talk to Tim - about the derailluers that fit the R/T set-up. You'll want to check out the R/T derailleurs. With your plan, if it were me I'd go Chorus with everything else including the hubs. That's what I did with Daytona - even the seatpost - I kept the brakes and ergo veloce because there's not much difference on that level [once again $$$], but I hear the Cho. ergo is really fine. Do not settle for any chain other that the Campy C-9. Even the campy chain suitable for the driveline made a big difference to me in shifting. You're not going to believe how the R/T shifts. You'll wonder what planet the posts complaining of triples' shifting are coming from.
I experienced a marked level of improvement in performance, and you will, too. The higher up you go on the Campy food-chain the equipment really does get better and better.
Good luck with it.
Jul 18, 2001 9:42 AM
|This is just the type of info I need. Thanks. Although I've never really suffered some of the problems that some people complain about with Veloce Triples, they ARE a bit finicky about adjustment. I'll look forward to slightly crisper shifting...
One of the first things I did when my first chain wore out was to to a Record chain. Noticeable difference, and they last much longer...
|You're Welcome||Leroy L|
Jul 18, 2001 12:45 PM
|I try to remember that I'm not shifting a double - one has to take into account that the machinery is more complicated. Considering all that, My R/T set up shifts crisp with zero trouble; lots better than the Veloce.
Oh, I had forgotten to mention that the Campy Pro-Fit Plus pedals [the latest version] are worth taking a serious look at. I'm using Daytona Pro-Fit Plus pedals, consistent with my all Daytona most of the time format, and really like them. They work like my Looks with float but a real positive engagement with no disengagement issues. At least that's been my experience.