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DT Swiss or Wheelsmith?(10 posts)

DT Swiss or Wheelsmith?JoeKlein
Jun 20, 2001 3:18 PM
I'm building a set of Open Pros with DA hubs (28 radial front; 3x drive, radial non drive rear). I want use double butted spokes, my question is whether to go with DT Swiss or Wheelsmith, and will it really make a difference between the manufacturers?
Ive always liked Wheelsmith. However the DT revolutions are nicerailer
Jun 20, 2001 4:07 PM
I am currently looking for some new wheels and forgot where but some well-knowned wheel builder was just touting the greatness of Wheelsmith. Ritchey also makes great spokes. Check out

Bottom line is I dont think its gonna make a huge difference either way.
This can get as bad as Campy versus Shimano.J.S.
Jun 20, 2001 4:14 PM
I've used both and really haven't noticed much of a difference really, although Wheelsmiths have a more abrupt taper at the butting. It appears that DT's are more readily available these days which seems opposite of a few years ago. One word of advice, if your building with really thin spokes( DT revo's or Wheelsmith 15/17's)and alloy nipples you might want to stay away from spoke prep. I just build with oil now, I found that spoke prep gums up threads making it difficult to get proper tension on thin spokes without them winding up. Good Luck
Makes NO difference - they're equivalent (nm)Kerry Irons
Jun 20, 2001 6:28 PM
DT Swissgrz mnky
Jun 21, 2001 12:28 PM
I feel that the quality of the DT Swiss product is higher - credit it to perception if you want, but you did ask....

The taper on the DT spokes is better exectued and the SS used seems to look better longer (there are many grades of SS). I've also had to fix several failed Wheelsmith alloy nipples, but not a DT yet, although it could happen. FWIW - the wheel gurus at the high-end LBS won't carry or advise Wheelsmith. They claim too many problems over the years and I have no reason to doubt them. Ultimately DT gives you lots of choices in both spokes and nipples.
re: DT Swiss or Wheelsmith?Jim Hubbard
Jun 21, 2001 12:31 PM
I have had a number of wheels built up with both dts and wheelsmiths. In terms of performance they are equal except for one aspect. I have never! broken a wheelsmith spoke, but it is very common to get a bad batch of dts, this has happen to me twice with wheels I have built up myself and once with a set of production wheels built up with Ti dt's. So my preference is Wheelsmith.
re: DT Swiss or Wheelsmith?JAMMM
Jun 22, 2001 10:24 AM
I disagree with grz mky about the DT, I agree with Jim Hubbard about the Wheelsmith: I never had a problem with Wheelsmith, I have had several bad DT's
Interestinggrz mnky
Jun 22, 2001 12:18 PM
Pretty interesting that we have such difference in experience and opinions. I guess with my light weight I don't see broken spokes that often. lately it's been mostly snapped alloy nipples. I guess I tend to see more machine built wheels with Wheelsmith while most of my DT experience has been with hand builts. Not an even comparison. I totally agree that the skill of the wheel builder is paramount.
re: DT Swiss or Wheelsmith?Bob1
Jun 21, 2001 11:39 PM
The differences are very minor. Wheelsmith's standard butted spokes are lighter because the butt is shorter. DT is a little heavier and possibly stronger. Talk to your wheelbuilder and go with what he recommends. Don't panic if he prefers Sapim over the others. The skill of the builder is more important than spoke selection.
Sapim spokes ?dash
Jun 24, 2001 11:27 AM
Have you considered Sapim spokes? Check it out:

CX-Ray are supposed to be light and most durable on the market.

happy miles!