|Deda 215 bars too light for 180lb rider?||DaveG|
May 3, 2001 10:58 AM
|Was looking for some bars with a deeper drop to replace my shallow drop Cinelli TouchE bars. Initially, I was going to go with something like the Deda 285. However, by spending some extra bucks I could shed some weight. Would the Deda 215 be too light for my 180lbs? I'm not a weight fanatic and would err on the safe side, but if the 215 is as strong I'd spend the extra $$.|
|re: Deda 215 bars too light for 180lb rider?||Red Baron|
May 3, 2001 11:28 AM
|I'm 170lbs. and I have the Deda Newton bar approx. (207grams) and it is plenty strong enough. I elected to get the 31.7mm oversized middle which enhances strength and prevents flex even more.
Light bars require a little time to get used to. Kind of like power steering. It does not take much to steer.
I recommend the 215's or any product from Deda. A great company and one used a lot in the peleton in Europe.
|re: Deda 215 bars too light for 180lb rider?||peloton|
May 3, 2001 5:23 PM
|I don't know. I'm a little over 180 now, less than in the middle of the season. I wouldn't ride a bar that light. Deda makes an excellent product from what I have seen, but weight savings have to come from some where. You will lose some stregth in the bar, and some steering precision at your weight. A bar over 250 grams is still light, but far stronger as a whole. I find when sprinting or cornering hard, ultra-light bars are too flexy to be overly comfortable for someone of 180lbs. I would check into a slightly more stout bar such as an ITM SuperItalia 260. You'll get a bar better suited to your weight that is still race ready- ask Eric Dekker or Jacky Durand. I noticed they were using this bar last year in the Tour.|
May 3, 2001 5:46 PM
|You wouldn't be endorsing the first year of production of the Deda Newton stem which was *recalled* would you? Seems the clamping mechanism (ti bolts?) that held the bars was failing. So much for the spotless (marketing) reputation (hype) of Deda. I guess they didn't publicize this fact very much. |
To extend your logic: there isn't very much made in the US of A that is worth putting a your bike since they don't use it on the peloton in Europe. Taking it one step further, we should all be riding a Trek OCLV and Icon componenetry 'cause "some guy" won some big fancy race in Urup.
You can't tell an awful lot by what is being used in the peloton in Urup - those guys are sponsored and paid to use certain componentry - it's in their contracts. They're just hired guns trying to make a living. If it's totally crap then, sure, it won't get used (much), but if it's just a bit crappy and there's a bunch of money involved, well you know the rest.... Don't fall prey to the markeing image and hype that is being shoved at us. Not much different than what the TV spews at us using professional atheletes (ball sports) in this country. Does Michael Jordan really like Nike or is it their $$$$? We may never know.
The Deda 215's are fine for 180 lbs. rider - only they don't really weigh 215 g., they're actually quite a bit heavier - seems that they have a quality control problem (but a nice image). You if you want a bar that is truly light and strong check out the carbon bars from either Kestrel or Easton. BTW - I use the Deda 215 and it's fine - it's even been "crash tested", but not scientifically. However, I won't replace them with the same when it's time.
|oooo, carbon bars....scary to me||peloton|
May 4, 2001 8:04 AM
|Carbon fiber has come a long way in the past few years I realize, but I don't know if I would use the stuff for a handlebar. Remember years ago when the first mountain bike carbon fiber handlebars and seatposts came out? I saw more broken bars and collar bones. Grz- Have you had the opportunity to own and use the Easton or Kestrel bars? How were your results? I'm leary of those because I haven't seen or heard enough of the Kestrel, and the Easton hasn't been around long enough to prove itself in the long term.
My thoughts are these. There are a lot of good places to save weight on your bicycle. There are parts of your bicycle that you never want to fail when you are hammering. The parts you don't want to break when you are hammering are the parts you don't want to use to save a ton of weight. I can think of few parts I would less like to fail than part of my steering system, ie handlebars. Better have a few more grams and a healthy crash free season.
Right on the money with the old Deda stem though. I think Christian VanVelde from Postal had a nasty crash due to this failure if I recall correctly. I wouldn't worry about most American products though. We have too much litigation for a company to risk putting an unsafe product to market. I've also had Euro friends who are big fans of American cycling products.
|Wait and See....||grz mnky|
May 4, 2001 1:40 PM
|I haven't used the carbon road bars yet, but I've been checking them out at the LBS. I too am a bit skeptical, but that's true for almost anything new in the bike world. I usually like to let a little time pass and see the early results. Having said that I run a carbon Easton bar on my MTB and have racked up a bunch of crashes and have had no problems with the bars - so far. However, I've heard lots of FOF stories about them breaking. Several of the regular posters here have been using the carbon road bars and we haven't heard anything bad, yet. I have broken an aluminum bar, and yes, it's scarey. Pennywise and pound foolish comes to mind.... |
How do you feel about carbon frames? There isn't any reason why properly designed CF products can't work - the key is in the properly designed bit. Most bike oriented companies are run on shoe string budgets when it comes to R & D and the testing phase is pretty minimal as the rush to get things into production.
Agree with your bit about American products and litigation - Easton and Kestrel are American tho'. So is this good or bad?
|Wait and See....||peloton|
May 4, 2001 6:45 PM
|I think carbon is a great material all and all. I've never owned a carbon frame, but there are several that I have enjoyed the ride of that I have thrown a leg over. I have owned a carbon wheelset (thermoplastic really), the old Spin MTB wheelset. They were bombproof. I am still leary of carbon seatposts and handlebars due to the number of horrible things I saw a few years ago when they invaded the MTB scene. I saw collarbones broken, and an incident with a seatpost I don't even want to think about anymore, let alone share it with others. There are just places you don't want to see blood coming from.
I'm with you on the wait and see philosophy. If in a year or two there are some carbon bars that have earned reputations as being bomber only then will I consider them. I don't need to be the first on my block to find out if something is strong enough at my size. I value reliability over light weight, but getting both is nice too.
As you said, 'Wait and see.'
|I've got the Easton Bar...||biknben|
May 4, 2001 7:48 PM
|Come to think of it I have both the road and MTB Easton bars. I've had no problems with either. I race on the road and in the dirt. I feel the dampening on the MTB bars but feel no difference with the Road version.
I think Easton is a reputable company. I'm not concerned about failures.
May 4, 2001 8:42 AM
|It really depends on what kind of rider you are.
I have the Deda 215 (44cm) bars with the Deda Zero stem and they're great. Real strong and stiff. I like them alot. I weigh 190lbs. They don't give.
I'm not a racer, but I train hard with other cat 4&5 racers and have no problems keeping up with them.
Unless you're a cat 1 racer who really pushes your equipment to the max, I wouldn't worry about it. Go for it.
|re: Deda 215 bars too light for 180lb rider?||Ian|
May 5, 2001 10:04 AM
|I have the Easton EC-90 bars which weigh about 195 grams and I weigh 210 lbs. They are stiffer than any aluminum bar I have tried.|| |