|No more of these Campy vs. Shimano threads!!||Bill J. Pappas|
Apr 4, 2001 9:14 AM
|I don't know about the rest of you, but these neverending Campy vs. Shimano threads have not contributed to the usefulness of this forum. Moreso they have just been an venue, whereby an owner of one particular gruppo, can come out and slam those who own its Italian/Japanese counterpart! I just shake my head when I log on, and see a thread titled "Campy vs. Shimano", knowing all to well where this issue will be going; nothing more than biased putdowns, insults to others for having the "bad taste" in owning that "other" gruppo, or "my gruppo is better than yours.." etc.... Stick to what gruppo "you" prefer, and respect the choices others make, even if they differ from your own. Thanks all,I needed to get that off my shoulders!!|
Apr 4, 2001 9:22 AM
|The continuous C vs S debates just scream for the opening of a FAQ forum. We could cover such timely topics as: Campy v. Shimano, Kysriums vs Nucleons vs Cosmics vs Speeddreams vs Rolfs ...yada yada yada...You get the picture.
I agree with Bill. Both brands have their positives and negatives. Mostly it comes down to personal preference and experience.
If it matters, I rode Shimano Ultegra STI for years, then it died, and I moved on to try Campy Record. And I am guilty of participating in these threads.
|Life and Death||Gary|
Apr 4, 2001 10:02 AM
|The life and death of a board depends upon the contributors. I would agree it is bothersome for regular readers to see the same threads rehashed over and over again. But we are not all stuck together on an isolated island. We are a dynamic environment in which users come and go, which gives us fresh ideas, questions and topics along with some of the old standards.
I would hesitate to try to censor or belittle the posing of these old standard questions as they are crucial to a neophyte's education. And we all were neophytes at some time. If I find a particular topic bothersome to read, I find it's easy enough not to read the threads.
But I do second the opinion that perhaps certain topics such as the Shimano vs. Campagnolo could be relegated to a FAQ where we could all post our opinions one last time to remain for good. I don't know if this is possible on this board's format. But if it is, then that's a wonderful idea. If it's not, I'm afraid we'll just have to resist our temptation to click on the message threads that we don't want to read.
|Do not post more of these Campy vs. Shimano threads!!||Longtime reader|
Apr 5, 2001 9:26 AM
|I agree with the other posters here. We should not have to see the same posts over and over again of this Camp vs Shim. stuff. The administrator should cut those posts that are obvious. Or maybe we could come up with a group of this forums "elders" to act as a steering committee to determine where this forum is heading and which posts are valid enough or have the content we desire for this forum.
|might be going a little too far||DaveG|
Apr 5, 2001 4:19 PM
|I can't really agree with the censorship approach as long as the posts aren't offensive. (Who would these elders be anyway?) However, I like the FAQ idea mentioned earlier. Some newer riders are posting legitimate questions on the differeneces between Campy and Shimano. For them, a FAQ which discusses differences in shifters, operation, shape, etc would help. However, there seem to be a number of folks who just continue to post these Campy vs Shimano threads just to get an argument going. Why they feel compelled to do so, I can only guess. Best to just ignore them.|
|Second on the FAQ||Hap|
Apr 9, 2001 6:08 AM
|Often a new poster comes to the board and asks a question on a topic that has just been discussed at length. I'm sure that I was guilty of this same thing when I first came to the board this winter, and I probably still am. Although there is an archive available, its use is not intuitive to new comers. The establishment of an FAQ section might curtail some duplication of topics.
On the other hand, we are here to share ideas and learn from each other and everytime someone new comes to the board, we all have an opportunity to learn. So perhaps it would be of a benifit to us all if these common (FAQ) treads would reappear on the main board when a new post was added. Again, default by "lasted response" would aid in this process.
In the meantime, we should continue to welcome new posters and address their questions as if it were the first time we were hearing them. It has been said, "The only stupid question is the one you don't ask." Therefore, "The only stupid answer is the one you don't give." We should continue to answer legimate questions even if it is an old topic. On the other hand, when no legimate question is asked, then the thread should be ignored. To me "Campy vs. Shimano, which is best" is not a legimate question. Personally, I also could care less about questions like "What color is your bike?" or "What kind of car do you drive?" but I can choose what treads I read and which ones I don't.
I have learned more about the sport in two month on this board than in my previous 20 yrs as a roadie. For that, I thank you all.
|While some of the threads have degenerated here and there,||bill|
Apr 6, 2001 6:06 AM
|actually, for the most part, people have provided thoughtful (at least vaguely thoughtful, anyway), valid perspectives (you will note that the theme is largely some variation of this: hey, guy, either way you're getting more machinery than you'll ever need; get what you think you're going to like having). At the risk of exposing my own raw narcissism, I have enjoyed the opportunity to explain why I am happy with my decision in this ever-popular debate. It's not always a slamfest, and what are we doing here if not to share our experiences? Sure, curtail gratuitous personal nastiness, but, you know, if you can't have a little fun flaming a little in the near-total subjectivity of this issue, where bias is so ludicrously self-evident that it is literally advertised the minute you start typing, and everyone knows it, where can you have fun? |
What, you want me to ride my bike, now?