|Wheelset upgrade - which one?||bcm|
Mar 28, 2001 5:50 PM
|I'm looking to upgrade my wheelset, but not sure which one to get. |
I have a Cannondale CAAD4 with full Ultegra.
I have narrowed it down to Mavic Ksyrium, Rolf Vector Pro, or Spinergy Spox (possibly even Campag Nucleon). Any helpful suggestions?
|re: Wheelset upgrade - which one?||PaulCL|
Mar 29, 2001 5:03 AM
|I went through the same decision process earlier this year. I had my choices narrowed to Kysriums, Nucleons (I use Campy) and Dave's Speedreams. I went for the Speeddreams. Why?? Cheaper ($519 vs $800 domestically for K's or N's), compatability (I could use Campy hubs), reputation (I've heard various negative comments on the K's, all good on the N's, all great on Speeddreams) and weight (K's: 1600-1750g's, N's: 1550-1650, Daves: +/- 1400g). With the great rep for service and a high quality product, I went with the Speeddreams. No regrets.|
|Ksyriums get the most consistant positive reviews||runstevierun|
Mar 29, 2001 10:36 AM
|Just went through this myself. I bought the K's
My buddy has a pair of spox that he just
loves especially for climbing but he really notices
their aero drag on the flats.
They are very light, under 1600gms plus
the weight they have is in the right place,
the hubs not the rim or spokes.
However,they've also gotten mixed reviews
on this website and others.
Don't know about Rolfs. Some people say they are too harsh
due to extreme spoke tension.
I needed an aero and an all around wheel
and the K's have a great reputation for being both.
They are relatively light at 1600 or so.
You can get K's for under $500 plus maybe $50 in shipping/duty
at various UK stores. Check out sdeals.com,
strikeitfit.com... There are others too.
Takes a couple of weeks for delivery.
|seems to me...||keith m.|
Mar 29, 2001 3:44 PM
|that the speeddreams get consistantly good reviews as well. the K's are actually around 1700 grams (we had this out about a month ago) and they are definetly not an aero style rim. If you ride alot of rough roads, the Spox are great (I have a set of the R-2's) but they are aero handicaped due to the fat spokes. They are a good climber though.|
|According to informed sources...||PaulCL|
Mar 30, 2001 6:27 AM
|...mainly catalogues..the K's are weighing in around 1750 grams. As for the Aero -ness...not much difference between K's versus Speeddreams since the rim profiles are essentially identical (according to Dave Thomas). For me, there have just been too many negative comments on this and other boards, plus friends, who have had serious service problems with Mavic over the K's. The stories scared me off. Speeddreams are lighter, more aero due to lower spoke count and bladed spokes, and I could have Dave custom build them to my specs (my weight and riding style) Besides, everyone has K's now. I gotta be different.|
|depends on the speeddream model as far as aero or not.||keith m.|
Mar 30, 2001 7:52 AM
|the Speeddream aerolights use Sun Venus rims which are semi-aero. 25mm I believe. The K's use a rim that looks like an open pro kind of. Very standard looking. Strange they would use bladed aero spokes on a standard style rim, maybe an aero rim would have pushed the weight too far over the edge and made for too stiff of a ride.|
Apr 2, 2001 2:33 PM
|....maybe the aero BS of rim cross section doesn't actually count for that much.|
|What negative comments have you heard?||BipedZed|
Mar 30, 2001 8:12 AM
|I own Kysriums and have found them to be the most bombproof and reliable wheelset I've ever had at any weight. 1700-1800g is light enough for wheels this strong. I've never heard anything but glowing reviews about these wheels, and I'm on this board and others frequently. What have you heard?|
|What negative comments have you heard?||PaulCL|
Mar 30, 2001 11:59 AM
|Rumors, second hand reports...sorry, I can't remember any specifics. I will agree that most of what I have read about the K's is very positive. During my wheelset search a few months ago, I inhaled any comments at all on K's, Nucleons or Speeddreams. Regrettfully, I can't name any specific posters or times that I read negative comments. Two acquaintances of mine have had numerous problems with the K's and had to return them to Mavic. They were very dissappointed with the service they got (no LBS - bought overseas). I can't recall the specific problems they had but the problems were eventually resolved to their satisfaction. Now they love'em.
I do not mean to bash the K's at all. I understand that they are wonderful wheels. I simply chose another wheelset. I guess the fact that I never heard or read a single negative comment on the speeddreams and that I could talk to the builder influenced my decision.
Once again, nothing negative on the K's. Enjoy them!
|Paul, a question.||Ian|
Mar 31, 2001 9:45 AM
|In regards to your friends, don't you think that their problems with service are their own fault? That is the chance you take when buying grey market.|
Mar 31, 2001 11:53 AM
|I didn't buy the K's or Nucleons from overseas for that very reason - potential service problems. The fact remains that something went wrong with the wheelset that required servicing, in each case, just after purchase, . I am sure that 99% of the K's are fine. But there have been several posts on this website regarding negative experiences with the K's. In Jan and Feb, I was really paying attention to any discussion on wheelsets (since I was in the market)
Like I said in a previous post, I have nothing against the wheels. Most reports are very very positive. I simply chose another wheelset based on numerous factors - including the "occasional" negative comment about the K's.
I really didn't mean to open up such a can of worms. Sorry guys.
|What's the grey market? Problem with overseas purchase?||runstevierun|
Apr 2, 2001 6:45 AM
|What is the grey market? I guess the "white" market is purchase through legitimate business channels and the "black" market is traffic in stolen or otherwise contraband goods. But what is the in between market? As to any mail order purchase, overseas or US-based, warranty rules apply regardless. Mavic, for example, does not have a "european" warranty policy and a separate "US" policy. If you buy from an authorized dealer, you are covered. Does shipping your wheels back to, say, the UK, for service (rather than Colorado Cyclist or Performance)take longer and cost more in transit? Sure. But I bought my wheels (K's) for $504 (delivered) and Colorado Cyclist lists them at $799 plus shipping. I saved the $$ by assuming the risk of higher re-shipping costs if they turned out defective. A very fair trade it seems to me. But if I'm missing something about buying through the euro-shops, please, turn the light on for me.|
|re: Wheelset upgrade - which one?||Dean|
Mar 30, 2001 8:09 AM
|I also had to choose between Ksyrium and Vector Pro's. Then I found out that if I bought the Mavic's through an overseas shop, there was no warranty. And I am the type that likes the warm and fuzzy feeling of a warranty. One LBS wanted 800 for K's and the other wanted 585 (yes they were new) for Vector Pro's. This turned into a no brainer when I went in to look and the Rolfs and ran into none other than Rolf himself. Turns out he lives around where I do and rides with the local racing group. Nice guy, actually asked what I was riding and showed interest. I only have about 40 miles on them so far, but I love them. Either is a good choice, go with your gut.|
|You are mistaken on the warranty issue (nm).||runstevierun|
Apr 2, 2001 6:46 AM
|re: Wheelset upgrade - which one?||eddy|
Mar 30, 2001 8:25 PM
|Give the Nucleons a real strong consideration. They're great wheels, light and strong. I've yet to hear anything bad about them. As for price, they tend to cost a bit more but you can get them domestically at either Colorado Cyclist or Excel Sport for around $660.00 a pair.|
|Thanks for the replies.||bcm|
Mar 31, 2001 5:59 AM
|Thanks for all the replies. It looks like I'll be going with the Ksyriums. Here in Australia, the cost of the Ksyriums and Rolfs are about the same, but the Ksyriums seem to be better supported. The other thing I've heard is that the Rolfs tend to be a little harsh, especially with aluminium frames (Cannondale CAAD4)/|
|K's vs. Spinergy||keith m.|
Mar 31, 2001 7:23 AM
|Correct me if I'm wrong but I just dont see any advantage the K's have over the Spinergy SR-3's that cost half the price. Same weight, both have bladed spokes, both have great hubs (sr-3's use swiss made edco's). both are shimano or campy compatible, the spinergy's are actually more aero with 30mm rims, and the spinergy's cost half and can be serviced in the good ol USA. Why spend the extra bucks?|
|K's vs. Spinergy||grz mnky|
Apr 2, 2001 2:42 PM
|Maybe you get what you pay for? |
Seems like a year doesn't go by without something new and improved from Spinergy. Not that I'm against continuous improvement - I just don't buy all the hype from Spinergy. They sure do blow out last year's models. If price is what matters to you then so be it.
The Ksyriums seem to be fairly bomb proof. Currently I have a bit of a problem with my rear wheel as the result of bouncing off a guard rail and crashing after being jumped by a doe. Nothing too serious that I can't true out. This is the only problem I've ever heard of with the Special K's and it doesn't have much to do with the build or design. I'd buy another set in a heart beat.
|re: Wheelset upgrade - which one?||Morgan|
Apr 2, 2001 10:20 AM
|I have a Cannondale R2001si, the bike came with ksyrium wheels. I am extremely impressed with the wheelset it is more aero that the other you have mentioned, just ask Doug Sloan,he has tried campy, velomax and went back to K's. Lately I have been floating around 195 at 6' and really crank on the cannondale the wheel take it and remain true as the day I purchased the bike. My other choice would be Speed dreams. Daves wheel sets are hard to beat. the man surely knows how to build wheels.|| |